Jeesus K. Reist… I’ve long said that Christian schools are simply pushing an organized system of ignorance, but this fourth grade textbook published by Bob Jones University, and highlighted in a ScienceBlogs post by PZ Myers, a biologist and associate professor at the University of Minnesota, really takes the cake in the dumb department.

As Myers points out, “[W]e can use [electricity] to build hair dryers and Large Hadron Colliders; to make the argument that we are mystified by it is lying to the kids.” I’ll go one further, to subject children to this sort of “education” is anti-intellectual child-abuse:

That second paragraph is a horror of gobbledygook. Apparently, they think electricity is something like oil, a substance lying in large deposits that must be harvested and poured into your hairdryer to make it work. A current, as mentioned above, is produced by the movement of charged particles, nothing more or less. The sun produces moving charged particles, so it is a source of electricity, and the movement of the earth generates an electromagnetic field, but I can also do the zombie shuffle across the carpet to build up an excess of charged particles and touch the cat to allow them to flow, creating electricity myself, like unto a God. I do not have to create particles to make electricity, I just have to make them move.

Also, if that little girl did not use electricity, she would be dead. All of the cells in your body create charge imbalances by pumping charged ions across their membranes, and using the flow of ions back across those membranes to create chemical energy — they are machines that convert chemical energy into electricity that is used to power little dynamos that create stored chemical energy. We also use the gated movements of charged ions to generate electrical currents in our nerves and muscles, which is how we think and move.

Isn’t it nice how clearly religion is shown to be a science-stopper? Just take common questions, declare them a mystery and that no one has an answer, and presto, religion becomes an authority. An authority stuck at a dead end.

Christian parents who willingly sign their kids up to be taught this sort of malarkey deserve what they will eventually get when their children are either A) too poorly educated to compete in a workforce where for most entrants electricity is not a fucking mystery or B) want nothing to do with Christianity after they realize that it’s something on the level of believing in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny…

Read a sample chapter here. How do they explain the moon?

Via Reddit

It doesn’t even qualify as malarky.
That is, in my book, criminally negligent. We know EXACTLY what electricity is and where it “comes from”. It has nothing to do with the sun. Anyone who had taken a solid course in HS physics knows enough to write that article competently.

Come to think of it, it would have been trivially easy to look it up on the internet…

Perhaps I should be calling bullshit on this…

Check out their explanation of Maths:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj2NOTanzWI

My God. It may not be bullshit.

I read that chapter about the moon, and it seems like a joke DEVO would have done. It’s not simply that they don’t believe scientific evidence: Whoever wrote that piece of vile crap didn’t understand what science is. Moreover, they pushed completely idiotic interpretations of Biblical passages to counter the scientific theories (which the misrepresent in a way that is not mere deception but indicative of some sort of mental breakdown or erosion).

They basically took every theory of lunar formation and replaced it with…nothing. They didn’t even present an alternative: They just inserted a fairly mysterious passage from the Bible and then moved on. Children reading that would be left with no picture at all, not even a “Christian” one.

That textbook is basically a flamethrower, burning down logic, reason, and rational thought. It must have been written by some malevolent entity that wants the movie Idiocracy to come true.

You forgot possibility C) the next Republican nominee for President.

I was looking for The Onion to pop up somewhere in this post, but then remembered we are talking about rightwing, christian morons and anything stupid is possible.

We are surrounded by crazy people.  Ugh…

Doh. I thought everyone knew that electricity comes from Thor’s Mighty Hammer.

@quckitt

That’s the dumbest thing I ever read! Everyone knows Thor got his power from Odin, ergo electricity comes from HIM. He simply charged up the hammer for Thor.

Astounding. I honestly thought this had to be a spoof until I followed the link to the book chapter about the moon, where they use science to disprove science(!).What a cruel thing it is to subject a youngster to this drivel. I laughed at first, but now I’m sad.

Fun, but a straw man. Here’s their current 4th grade text on science: http://www.bjupress.com/product/239145

The section on electricity and magnetism discusses positive and negative charges, how they’re usually balanced, and how unbalancing them creates the potential for current. They still have a faith chaser at the end, but at least they hired someone who’d completed college physics to write it.

@ mrclam, I figured that since Thor is the God of Thunder, lightening and by extension electricity was also in his purview. But I never did all that well in 4th grade science.

And @ Dante, all joking aside it’s simply horrifying.

you know…this crap is what pisses me off—these morons are putting God and Science at odds.  I am not a believer per se, but by the same token I think some look at these ignorant idiots and think all believers are in agreement. It can cast an ill-light on people who are not morons yet have a belief in God or Christ, Mohammed, Hindus, Jews, etc. etc.

Let’s be careful not to lump all believers with this jack asses. Not all people who call themselves Christians are like these people…they represent the worst kind.

@scottie—you said, “It can cast an ill-light on people who are not morons yet have a belief in God or Christ, Mohammed, Hindus, Jews, etc. etc…Let’s be careful not to lump all believers with this jack asses”

You can’t have it both ways. Either you believe in science, or you believe in magic. I’m not saying believers are dumb, per se (examples: I. Newton, my own sister the neuroscientist) but it’s hard not to call these people “jackasses,” because, clearly, they are. Well, they are either jackasses or hypocrites (those pick n choose believers).

Just so you know, not all Christians engage in this bullshit.  Because of the education I received from 12 years in Lutheran schools, I understand how electricity (and general physics and biology) works, can and do design and build my own electrical musical components.

Oh, and MrClam, there’s no conflict between a belief in God and science.  The observable universe (physics, chemistry, biology, etc.) is the rational part of my belief system - there’s no denying that it’s there and exists, and functions as described.  My belief in God is the irrational part of my belief system.  I cannot prove his existence to you (and I won’t ever try to), but you can never disprove his existence.

That bit about the sun is pretty priceless, but despite being logically- and scientifically-inclined I still don’t get electricity so can’t hold these guys entirely to blame. I try and learn every so often but can’t get my head around more than “on” and “off”. Which, luckily, is a suitable level of understanding for a general IT job.

Appalling.

That said, I just read the moon chapter and…oy. There’s too much wrong to even begin describing so I’ll just leave it at the thought that it must be mighty interesting to have to deal with that dichotomy in the US.

I went to a Catholic school from Kindergarten through to Year 10 before finishing my final two years of high school at a public school and the only difference in the two systems was that one of the subjects was ‘Religion’. The syllabus was identical in both systems and the testing was (and is) handled by the states board of education. Many of the students were not Catholic they only attended as it was the only school in the district which was private. In the ‘Religion’ course we were taught the Catechism and history of the Catholic Church (obviously) but it was put in the context of other belief systems, including Protestant Christianity, Aethism, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism etc. The system may be very different in the United States but you are mistaken to think that all people who received their education in Christian schools are red neck idiots.

“The syllabus was identical in both systems…” *Obviously in the Public School ‘Religion’ wasn’t a compulsory course. Religious studies was elective and offered through the social studies department.

`_+_Electricity_+_`

http://oi54.tinypic.com/23wjv4j.jpg

If my daughter Elizabeth, a veritable font of knowledge, ever misconstrues the changing of a light bulb with what constitutes the origin of electricity (highly unlikely), it is because my most gullible uncle impressed upon me, her mother (before I was enrolled in a public school kindergarten), that Jesus will come again and, further, we will know his arrival is imminent because he’ll arrive on a brown (b-r-o-w-n) cloud. Verily. This elusive intelligence, of course, was years ahead of electric cars and Elizabeth’s birth. But knowledge, as well as misinformation, has a way of invading human thinking without benefit of clergy, especially when a celestial entity (on a brown cloud) is requesting the tower for permission to land – after switching on the runway lights.

@john barrick

I’m fine with what you said, except that I was refering to organized religions. In order to accommodate science, a believer needs to “pick n choose,” which seems pointless to me. If a leg collapses, the whole table’s gone. One doesn’t need to finish an egg to realize it’s rotten.

I agree with Scottie. I am a believer. And I hate the fact that because some people are highly ignorant, we all get lumped into the same group. I AM NOT THIS IGNORANT!! I believe science has its place and has been very helpful to us in many ways. I work in medicine and have seen the things that science has done for us. With this same token, I’ve also seen the things that God has done. I am completely aware of the explanation of electricity and I would never tell people otherwise. After all, it has been proven. As for the “zombie shuffle” that allows us to create electricity “like unto a God…” news flash - it states in the Bible that God created us in His image. So naturally, we can do this. Being a Christian has nothing to do with organized religion. Being a Christian means having a belief in God and Jesus Christ. Organized religion may or may not be part of that. I know people that believe but claim no organized religion. Do people honestly think that all of these organized religions were around in the times of Jesus? God does not call us to be ignorant. Science and God’s creations often go hand in hand. It’s articles like this that make all Christians sound this way. We are not all part of the ignorance plaguing the earth. And let’s not forget that there are plenty of non-believers who are ignorant as well.

I like how when they argue against the scientists “guesses” about the moon, they use the scientists stats on the moon’s mass and mineralogical makeup to say why the scientists are wrong.

Apparently, they don’t know (or care) that the scientists are also “guessing” when it comes to the moon’s mass and makeup.

http://www.bjupress.com/about/look-inside-science-4.php

I also like how they don’t proclaim that they, too, are “guessing” by claiming their Christian God created everything.  Except, their ‘guesses’ have no physical facts to back them up.  Whereas the scientist have lots and lots of proven math and physical facts for their “guesses”.

Argh you guys. More Christian fish in a barrel bashing based on a random internet search for nonsense from the wild and wonderful whites of West Virginia.  Can’t you do better than this? I can’t imagine you doing the same to atheists, Muslims, gays, Asians, tattooed satanists, anarchists, or even the Virgin Prunes. Christopher Hitchens does better than this.  Pathetic

@bearcroft

If these “fish in a barrel” weren’t trying to, through vocal and well organized groups, force their religious-belief based ‘science’ on the public at large through government they wouldn’t be putting themselves under such scrutiny.

Besides, why bash Atheists, Muslims, gays, Asian (religions), tattooed satanists, anarchists, and probably even Virgin Prunes when certain Christians do it enough for everybody.

@JasonsRobot

I’d like to know, have you met EVERY Christian? Because if not, you really should stop grouping them all together. We are not all the same. Not all of us do what you are accusing us of doing. And by grouping ALL Christians together, you look as ignorant as the Christians who can’t come to terms with science.

@seattlegirl

Read my comment again, please.
My first paragraph is talking specifically about the publishers of the book and their type.  My second paragraph specifically says “certain Christians.”

So, I wasn’t ‘grouping’ in the way you claim.

Besides, some of my best friends are groups.

had 6 to 1 on “certain Christians force their beliefs and fake science down my throat via the U.S. government daily” within the hour.  Spot on!
“All Christians” was only 2 to 1

Thanks

The odds were 1 to 1 that my words would be misrepresented and/or misquoted as a means for someone to claim they’re a big winner.

The odds were also 1 to 1 that someone would try to mock instead of commenting on my thoughts about the bigotry and anti-intellectualism of various vocal and monied Christian organizations.

The main issue is - Just because things like the subject of the DM article are constantly being done, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be continually pointed out.

By the way, some of my best friends are odds.

When we home schooled (NeoPagan Bachelor of Science Mom and Methodist Physicist/Electrical Engineer Dad) we looked at the Bob Jones books.  We figured they couldn’t much screw up Geometry.

Well, we were wrong.  They were MISERABLE at explaining geometric principles.  Luckily, we found a copy of the high school text my husband had use, published in about 1950, at a garage sale.  We used that book.

SeattleGirl wrote…

“After all, it has been proven”

Wait, you’re saying that you “believe in electricity” because it has been “proven”? The fact that there’s a vast network of electrical plants and distribution networks that bring electricity to your home didn’t sway you?

You also dangerously misunderstand science and the role of scientists. Science doesn’t “prove” anything: It only creates testable statements that can be disproven. This is why the wackier Christian cults “don’t believe” in global warming, because they think it’s the job of scientists to prove it to them.

Jesus loves me,
This I know;
My hair dryer
tells me so.

HARBORING CENSORSHIP
—James Ph. Kotsybar

Some sinister forces would try to gain
control of what is deemed permissible.
Theirs is the moral high ground, they maintain.
All disagreement is dismissible.

They’d train, with discipline that’s drilled by rote,
young minds to dumbed-down dogmatic belief,
denying what might provide antidote—
the skeptical questions that bring relief.

They’d take the dictionaries from our schools,
replace all science instruction with creed
and guarantee a future rife with fools—
a pious and uneducated breed.

Thank goodness these disgruntled lack the wit
to cancel what the moving hand hath writ.

@Em

Absolutely not. I do not believe in electricity only because it has been proven. The lights go on. This is proof. So don’t take my words out of context. My point was that’s it’s ridiculous to debate that science has a purpose. Just as it is ridiculous to group all Christians together. I don’t “dangerously misunderstand” the role of science and scientists. Being in healthcare, this is something I follow every day. I read scientific articles on a regular basis as it interests me as much as the next person. People making gross accusations where they don’t belong is how this whole mess of Christians vs. Science began in the first place. I know for a fact that these accusations come from both sides. But it would be foolish of me to group all scientists in that category. There are still people out there that are good and believe that everyone has a right to their own beliefs. There are people that don’t expect everyone to agree with what they believe. There are people who don’t bash others simply because their beliefs are different. Perhaps you should meet a few.

@seattlegirl

You said, “I am a believer. And I hate the fact that because some people are highly ignorant, we all get lumped into the same group. I AM NOT THIS IGNORANT!!”

Sorry to break it to you, but you ARE ignorant. You believe in magic. Perhaps you don’t believe in ALL the Bible’s magic, but surely you believe in some. Where do you draw the line? Talking snakes? Water into wine? Zombies who command their followers to become vampires? It all sounds pretty damn ignorant to me.

@Em

Wow. You’re bashing people’s belief systems now. And here I thought you couldn’t get any lower. If you are going to attack my belief system, then you would in turn have to attack other belief systems that have the same or similar beliefs, or other belief systems that believe in “magic” as you say. Perhaps ignorance does not come from those who believe in “magic.” It’s possible that it comes from those who don’t. But that’s not my battle. That battle is between those people and whatever higher power they choose or don’t choose to believe in. If you refuse to believe in a higher power, that’s your perogative. But you could at least learn to bite your tongue before you make yourself look like a fool. I don’t need to defend my beliefs to you or to anyone else. So if you want to continue to attack my beliefs, you will do so to a deaf ear because I refuse to waste anymore energy on this nonsense.

SeattleGirl:

I am not Mr Clam and did not bash your belief system.

Truth be told, up until some years back I attended primarily black churches in Brooklyn and Queens for the better part of 25 years, and still treasure the best of what I experienced therein: That tribal experience of ‘collective subjectivity’ is extremely powerful, and outside the churches (in the US) only some of the very best live rock gets near that zone (though then again I never attended a rave or any pagan ceremonies in the US). It is ceremonial ‘magic’ of occasionally high grade and I’ve never cared much whether it made any scientific sense or not.

As for their being “gross accusations” on the part of scientists, having done physics in my former profession I’m curious to see specific examples. Unfortunately, the very few I am aware of are for the most part true.

When you say that electricity is “proven” because the lightbulb turns on when you throw the switch, does this imply that for, say, evolution (or global warming), you do not believe in it because it hasn’t been ‘proven’? Again, it is not the job of scientists to ‘prove’ anything. They can only make statements that are (in the sense of Karl Popper) ‘falsifiable’.

I am not really attacking you, but I do see that your response reflects the world as portrayed by many evangelical churches, and this view of the world is highly distorted.

And again, I am not Mr Clam, though I admit he periodically says things I wish I had said!

I remember that photo.  10 years of Christian school, and we used Bob Jones textbooks (among others).  Fortunately, I watched Bill Nye the Science Guy as a child, and he filled in the gaps.

WOW.  This reminds me of when I first learned about creationists and young earthers.  I HOPE that this isn’t a majority position among Christians.

Thomas:
No, it isn’t, particularly when you count Anglicans, Episcopalians, Presbyterians and Catholics.
Even amongst evangelicals this is considered bizarre (as is practically everything related to BJU).

A quick story: When I was in my last semester of college (about 6 months from my bachelors in physics) I started talking to a guy from BJU on the subway. He actually tried to convince me to quit NYU and go to BJU (I’d essentially have to start over)! (I didn’t even argue with him…the fact that he thought this was under reasonable discussion made me realize he was crazy.)

Captcha=just85 (that’s right, Captcha! It happened in 85!)

That’s good to hear.  I was raised in a church but I think that I was oblivious to a lot of the central tenants of the same.  I didn’t even know that there *were* still creationists/young earthers about (except for a few isolated crazies perhaps) until well into college.  Also I didn’t know that the ‘soul’ which went to heaven was supposed to be the conscious mind until late high school (my Sunday school teacher when I was young said that the brain (and body) didn’t go to heaven, but that it was ‘something else’ so I decided that I wouldn’t be aware of heaven and had to think long and hard on what did go) or that Jesus was supposed to have lived since the beginning of time.  I figured that Jesus was like god’s little assistant and the holy ghost was some kind of agent for doing tasks on earth.

It would be refreshing if the Christian apologists who always, ALWAYS show up on threads like this – whining and bitching that we shouldn’t group all Christians together, please don’t bash the poor misunderstood Christians, blah blah ad nauseam – would instead turn to the exponentially increasing batshit segment of their community and tell THEM to stop acting like belligerent, psychotic assholes.

I’m Christian and I can’t stand most “Christians”. They call themselves that, but they just cherry pick what they like in the Bible that fits their agenda.

This is what happens when you set out to explain ‘science’ without using any reference besides the Bible. Since there’s no explanation of electricity in the Bible - not even a metaphorical one - it follows that “we have no explanation of electricity”.

I read some of the ‘moon’ chapter, it is horrifying - a discussion from utter ignorance, written to ignorance, to perpetuate, validate, and reinforce ignorance.

It’s full of questions like “does this seem right to you?” Gee, we haven’t even taught you one thing which would to allow you to judge that… we clearly don’t even understand it ourselves… but we’re still going to ask it that way, because we all know the answer, right?

Child Abuse. Criminal misrepresentation of proselytization as “education”.

@seattlegirl

I’ve heard your point about not being lumped in with people like this many times. It does make sense - until you realize that _you_ are the one lumping yourself in with them.
If I tell you that I’m a Nazi, you will be justified to think that I agree with what that group of people did, thinks or does. You didn’t lump me in with racist, genocidal scumbags - I did it myself by declaring me a member of their ideology. There is no separating the deeds from the group, and you don’t get to pick and choose which parts you accept, and which ones you don’t.

Christianity is in no way different - just because the crusades, the inquisition or countless other happened longer than 60 years ago they don’t magically disappear from the long list of crimes committed by christianity - including more recent ones like murdering gays or abortion doctors, or calling for their deaths on talk radio. Also, I couldn’t care less about the constant claim of christians that their religion does “good”, because it doesn’t now and it has never done before. On a global level it has always been responsible for murder, rape, torture and war - even though every once in a while there is a Mother Theresa in it.

If you call yourself a christian you are the one to stick the label on yourself, even if as an individual you claim to disagree with some of it’s meaning. These people in the article are what US christians stand for these days, and my advice if you dislike this is to stand up and fight them instead of making excuses about how “not all christians are like that”, because we’ve heard that lukewarm half-denial of christian apologists way too often and it is time to hold this vile and evil ideology responsible for what it has constantly done since it’s begining 2000 years ago.

A supremely perfect example of why couples - married or not - should be required to have a license to give birth to (or adopt) children.

@seattlegirl

Thanks for continuing to post here and turning a one-sided rant into a debate.

“As for the “zombie shuffle” that allows us to create electricity “like unto a God…” news flash - it states in the Bible that God created us in His image. So naturally, we can do this.”

This kind of statement is exactly what we’re all talking about. Being Christian basically comes down to whether you think the Bible is holy writ or not, whether the things in it are more reliable than other things written by people. No-one who has a scientific worldview could ever uncritically use Biblical authority to justify or conclude anything.

I wouldn’t bother “debating” seattlegirl. She has no critical thinking skills and is willfully ignorant ( “if you want to continue to attack my beliefs, you will do so to a deaf ear because I refuse to waste anymore energy on this nonsense”)

Not only is she foolishly superstitious, she is also a poor excuse for a Christian (as are they all). The Bible commands her to engage us in this conversation.The New Testament urges believers to speak the gospel clearly, fearlessly, graciously, and respectfully WHENEVER an opportunity presents itself (see Colossians 4:2–6, Ephesians 6:19–20, and I Peter 3:15).

According to the head zombie (Jesus) she is required to

“Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature”

If Jesus didn’t think it was “nonsense” and “a waste of energy” why does seatlegirl? Because, like every other Christian I have ever encountered, she is not a Christian at all.

PS- I cribbed some of the above from Wikipedia. Also, that line about preaching to “every creature” cracks me up—are Christians supposed to be hunkered down in puddles, converting Islamic worms?! Just how many heathen gila monsters are out there? No wonder God killed all the kittens, bunnies, and puppies in the flood—they were obviously idol worshipers!

@ mrclam.

Christianity is pagan idol worship compared to Judaism.
“Thou shalt have no other gods before me.”

Ew.  Now I have to delete all my cookies.  I just went to Bob Jones U’s Website.  Ick, ick, ick.

@Em-thanks for the kind words. Likewise!

@quckitt- Christians (at least Catholics) get around that by claiming Jesus and God are somehow the same being. Yeah, it’s pretty wacky.

@ mrclam. It is wacky, but most religions are.

Studying Comparative Mythology/Religion is a hobby of mine and since I was indoctrinated into Christianity as a child, it has been my main focus but as I’ve gotten older I’ve broaden that to include Judaism,Paganism,Buddhism,etc.

People forget that the reason stated in the Bible for Jesus being crucified is that the Jews were horrified that a man would claim to be God, it’s complete anathema to them. And I would make the case as others have that one of the main reasons for Christianity’s appeal to the people of Europe was it’s pagan qualities since they already had myths similar to Christianity, for example Odin was crucified on the World Tree of Life as a sacrifice.

I recommend for those interested. Isaac Asimov’s Biblical Survey of the Old and New Testaments. He basically complied all current Biblical scholarship at the time in a book by book analysis. It’s a tome but well worth the read for it’s many gems of mythbusting facts.

I’m fascinated by their official looking mineral chart (if it’s on a chart, it must be true!) that states none of the minerals are found on earth, but they’re all found on the moon.  I guess they just didn’t expect anyone to fact check their “textbook”. Armalcolite is found in Montana and Pyroxferroite is found in Japan.  Unless, of course, these places are not located on earth in their geography book…..

@Amanda-As much as I disagree with their science book, I have to come to the defense of the geography text. Montana and Japan are both included. There’s even a handy, informative chart- Montana is listed under “People Like Us” and Japan is right here under “Godless Oriental Heathens”.

Looks like a new link popped up on the book’s preview page to

http://www.bjupress.com/about/electricity-is-a-mystery.php

I was raised by a wanna-be minister & his “anything you say, dear” wife. I went to church (Berean, Nazarene, Baptist, Methodist) EVERY sunday until I was 15. I was hardcore scary xian, preach the gospel, you’re going to hell if you don’t stop swearing, etc. until I saw the light. My refusal to continue landed me in reform school.

Religion is bullshit. Xians et al need to WAKE UP. Is there a god? Does it matter? Don’t persecute. You’re no better than your neighbor, richer or poorer, or with different beliefs than you. Live life to the fullest and do your best to make the world a better place for everyone else. Remember the “golden rule”?

Sheesh, my problem is I can’t stop hating the asshole religious nuts that make life hell when it could be paradise. Fuckin wankers!

“All anyone knows is that electricity seems to be everywhere and that there are many ways to bring it forth.”

I’m not sure I can think of a better piece of evidence to support court recognition of a cause of action for mass libel.

“All anyone knows” seems pretty declarative and unequivocal, making it a factual assertion about everyone.

Of course, that the book is “criminally negligent” should also be a given.

Apparently the anti-Christian rant folks also believe that every Muslim on the planet is insanely murderous, just like the 9/11 terrorists?  C’mon. 
Bob Jones and his crew have never relied on reason.  Many Christ-followers have long believed that, while they claim to be God’s buddies, they actually play for the other team.

Did everyone somehow miss @James Ph. Kotsybar’s flawless Shakespearean-style sonnet? I mean, that was worth all the rest of the trash on this page. Well done, sir!

Thanks, Chambojambo!  Since you appreciate the sonnet form:

SCIENTIFIC TESTAMENT
—James Ph. Kotsybar

A scientist trusts in what has been proved
through repeated experimentation.
Assertions of faith will leave him unmoved
until they have achieved validation.
Religious beliefs often leave him cold
and skeptical of professed prophecies
based mostly on hearsay and tales twice-told,
not carefully tested hypotheses.
This doesn’t make him an atheist, though.
He’s more like an investigative sleuth
who seldom proclaims things he doesn’t know,
since he’s a stalwart apostle of truth.
He’ll all too gladly apply his method,
should God allow Himself to be tested.

Christian Elementary and High School are the main reasons I today am an Atheist.

You people realize you just got trolled, right?  That’s clearly somebody trying to make a funny about Christians because it’s so edgy. 

Aren’t atheists supposed to be superdupersmart/hipper-than-thou?

Magnets, how do they XXXXing work?

I got so pissed off my hands shook for, like, half an hour and I blogged about it.  Thanks for the heads-up, DM!
http://bit.ly/nMJGQM

Erm…hah says: “Aren’t atheists supposed to be superdupersmart/hipper-than-thou?”

Dr Rotwang! replies:

No, we may be “supposed” to be anything, but supposition and reality do not always intersect…a fact which, once realized, is one of the things that makes atheists.

I am not a believer, per se, but I agree not to lump people of faiths with this crowd (i’m not the same scottie from previous, but agree).  Just cuz some believes in god doesn’t make them idiots.  Perhaps nieve, but nothing more.  Aside from the violent ones, that is.  The problem most religions have is they try ad seperate their god and proven science.  Took the catholic church centries to accept the earth is round among other things. 

I found it disturbing though they say know one has ever observed tor felt it.  I know plenty of people who have been electricuted.  Tell them they’ve. Never felt it.  Hell.  I’m in law enforcement.  I got tasered last week for class.  Try and tell me I never felt lightning.

I’ve just been holding a saucepan out of the window to see if I can catch enough electricity from the sun to watch TV tonight….

It’s a criminally ignorant or blatantly evil being that willingly corrupts and closes an impressionable open mind.

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Please know that not all Christians are this dumb, and not all Christian schools are this retarded. Most(or at least a lot) use normal text books.

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