This will surely have a lasting effect on this young woman. I’m going to bet that she will never look at the police the same way. As much as I’m against the police detaining peaceful protestors, this will serve as a good education for her.
Oct 02, 2011
fuzzy1 says:
If you stop being intimidating to the adults, turn towards the children to make them cry.
Oct 02, 2011
Em says:
“When people are arrested for peaceful demonstration, then there is something wrong at the heart of America”
Not that I disagree, but the NYPD have a particular aversion to chaos. There’s significant political fallout for chaos that gets out of hand, and NYPD heads roll when such occurs.
In this case they are attempting to cross the Brooklyn Bridge, but on the road part. That’s a no-no in NYC and illegal (based on where the BB is, no doubt they spontaneously walked up from the Wall Street area).
Your analysis is, of course, basically correct, but it’s not the police per se, but in laws and ‘acceptable practice’ that more or less compel the police to take action in situations like this (and indeed, this seems to be the gist of what you meant).
I’m still angry about the Police action in 2002 that illegally herded hundreds of protesting cyclists during the Republican National Convention, and placed them all in a pen on the west side (aka “Guantanamo on the Hudson”). That action was illegal and done on the behest of a party that has always despised this city.
Oct 02, 2011
Red Joe says:
Glad people are finally waking up and realizing where we live
Oct 02, 2011
Freedistance says:
Just read this, it really fits the profile of these cops :
Bob Altemeyer’s - The Authoritarians
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
Oct 02, 2011
MozartFX says:
Funny. “..what would the U.S. government do if this happened in China.” It wouldn’t. China is a communist country. People don’t have the right to protest in China, and when they do THEY ARE RISKING THEIR LIVES. If many people on this site had their way THIS country would be communist, and would they allow the Tea Party to hold mass demonstrations? Not a chance. Remember, when communists control the police, the first thing they do is take your guns, your rights, and tell you they are doing it to protect you. Oh yea, but you do have “free” health care. Just like in Cuba and North Korea..(Where it’s illegal to own a gun)
“The whole world is watching!”...not today, today the whole world is watching NFL football and the baseball playoffs. At least I am.
Oct 02, 2011
CB says:
Hardly a “peaceful demonstration” though was it?. I’ve attended and It’s getting increasingly rowdy/hostile down there and alot of peoples sole intention seem to be to cause trouble. These people IMO are hijacking the movement which was already confused as to what the hell it’s supposed to be.
Oct 02, 2011
kimbav says:
“As much as I’m against the police detaining peaceful protestors, this will serve as a good education for her.” Yes, but what kind of education? Do you think she will feel she can go to the police if she’s in trouble, or threatened by someone? “To protect and serve” - is that really what’s happening here? And for the gentleman commenting on communism - These countries are more than communist, they’re totalitarian regimes masquerading as communist, apples & oranges.
Oct 02, 2011
BernieCrowsheet says:
There’s plenty of evidence of undercover police inciting violence in crowds. To defend police actions is to defend Bank of America, is to defend Goldman Sachs, is to defend Haliburton. All of those international companies have committed far more serious crimes than “walking on the bridge” yet we see none of them arrested, thrown to the ground or maced.
There is only one demand.
Oct 02, 2011
Eric says:
“Your Government is not your Government. Your Police are not your Police. Your Country is being slowly sold from under you.”
My only issue with this statement is that it implies that the its ongoing. This country was bought and paid for long ago. They’re just comfortable being more open about it right now.
Oct 02, 2011
duke says:
Disperse disperse disperse. What a riot. Kind of, but not really though. Tick Tock.
Oct 02, 2011
Cowicide says:
The is the time in American history where there will be the ones on the sidelines whining, complaining and going NOTHING while revolution spreads all around them.
And then there will be the patriots who support those people out there and/or go out there themselves.
Which one are YOU going to be?
Oct 02, 2011
RJ says:
Go back to watching the NFL on TV Mozart… go back to your vicarious life… baaaaaaa, baaaaaa, baaaaaaaaa.
Oct 02, 2011
larry says:
Contrived angst ... it will fade ...but hey if that’s what makes you a ‘super cool dude, brah’ then float a boat on it, brah.
Oct 02, 2011
Sutter Cane says:
Bit of a shift going on here.
I hate the generational labels, but if you want to go with the traditional idea of “Generation X”, the Gen-xers saw the idealism of the baby boomers co-opted and subverted by the system and hated them for their hypocrisy. Being coolly cynical was the only response. This was easy in the 90s when the economy was doing well and the stakes were low, but now it’s hard for Gen-xers to lose the cynicism. The 90’s are over, but folks in the 30-45 age range are reluctant to commit to anything that might make them look silly (especially protests with a tinge of “hippie” about them, when they’ve been told their whole lives that hippies were uncool). Much less risky to make snarky comments from the sidelines. So I see a lot of my too-cool-for-school Gen-X friends on Facebook making fun of the protesters. They haven’t figured out that the 90’s are over. Things have changed.
I think the younger people are, the less likely they are to feel this way, less likely to fear showing a little idealism. Enough time has elapsed that the hippie label has lost some of the sting as an insult. Rock n’ roll and punk rock are completely boring and lack any danger anymore (in the 90’s music could still shock the squares) so protesting will be a good way for young people to get their blood pumping, piss off their elders, and impress the opposite sex.
I guess what I’m saying is, might be that being a protester against the banksters is going to be the new way to get laid. Could be what starting a band was in the 90’s. Being cynical and not caring will be uncool and will soon be what makes you a geezer to the kids.
Oct 02, 2011
Lisa says:
Actually,@sutter Cane, another possibility is that many of us 30-45 Gen-Xers support the protestors, and give a big, major shit about all this..but also may just have small kids and decent jobs (that we’re clinging to with our sharpest talons) and can’t risk getting arrested. Hmm? Anyone else? (Even took my oldest to some Iraq/Afghanistan protests over the past few years.)
Oct 02, 2011
argh says:
“The first stage of fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power” - Benito Mussolini.
Oct 02, 2011
Ar says:
Em wrote “Not that I disagree, but the NYPD have a particular aversion to chaos. There’s significant political fallout for chaos that gets out of hand, and NYPD heads roll when such occurs.
In this case they are attempting to cross the Brooklyn Bridge, but on the road part. That’s a no-no in NYC and illegal (based on where the BB is, no doubt they spontaneously walked up from the Wall Street area).”
What’s important to note here is that the NYPD are the ones who HERDED the protest onto the bridge. They stopped traffic, they led the protesters off the pedestrian walkway and onto the road, and THEN they arrested the protesters for being there. This was a trap set and sprung by the NYPD to force the peaceful protesters to become something they could arrest. There are numerous videos, photos, eyewitness accounts, and the live video feed that was going at the time to prove it, but that’s not what you’ll see reported in the papers.
Oct 02, 2011
BernieCrowsheet says:
Ar you got it right, this is a media event, what everyday people hear in the twenty second spot that eventually will make the nightly news about “the protests against wall street” will be the spin cycle news. Not the truth of cops lead blocking off lanes of traffic, themselves standing on the bridge leading thousands of marchers onto the bridge as a confrontation point. No. The nightly toupee news will tell us the “official” version, the protesters wouldn’t listen to cops and were violent, video of an old woman throwing a cops hat prove their violent tendencies.
This isn’t going to be an easy road, but it’s our road. IT’S OUR STREET!
Oct 02, 2011
Heather says:
The only reason this is shocking is that this is a WHITE twelve year old. How many black, Hispanic and other minority kids are stopped, frisked, and arrested on a daily basis in NYC?
Oct 03, 2011
Em says:
Ar wrote…
“What’s important to note here is that the NYPD are the ones who HERDED the protest onto the bridge.”
I’d say that’s absurd but it was widely seen and reported back in 2002 that they did it with the cyclists during the Repuglicant National Con.
So it would appear to be a modus operandi.
Come to think of it, my paranoia is acting up a bit (and I trust my paranoia): They didn’t stop these protestors until they were illegally on the road part of the bridge? That means that the photos of them arresting protestors would shine a negative light on the protestors, because there’s lots of people who would recognize this took place on the road.
And I’d note that if they hered the protestors onto the road from Park Place, it would have been just as easy or easier to have herded them onto the walkway.
OK, I think I’m getting a little more pissed off. Maybe the protestors need to start thinking like the cops and put themselves into contexts that make the cops look even worse than they did.
Captcha = ahead52 (the captcha seems to be giving us some advice…any chance the 52nd precint was involved in this?!)
Oct 03, 2011
30something says:
@CB - I was there on the bridge Saturday. What violence? There is nothing violent about these protests AT ALL. Not even the sloganeering is violent. This was one of the most positive experiences I have had in my life. An inspiring diverse collection of people from all walks of life and all ages. There were people in their 70s as well as people in their teens. I saw no sign of violence whatsoever.
Oct 03, 2011
Em says:
“China is a communist country…many people on this site had their way THIS country would be communist, and would they allow the Tea Party to hold mass demonstrations? Not a chance.”
Wow. What a dummy. That’s one of the most ill-throught-out and contrafactual posts I’ve seen on this site.
First of all, large chunks of China’s economy are no longer even remotely communist. You seem to think that totalitarianism is somehow the same thing as the eco-political system, and that’s some of the laziest “thinking” I’ve seen.
By the way…there are plenty of protests in China, almost every day. Zhong Nan Hai will crack down on those protests that look like they could destabilize things and, of course, any protest that critical of the government in the wrong way might also bring the hammer down.
No, China’a main threat to freedom is the same one we have here: Classic fascism. And by this I mean state-corporatism, where big money and big companies have effectively co-opted the state. That’s what you Tea Party goofballs are fighting for here, and that’s why many people despise you.
As for DMers “wanting” communism and to stop out dissent, are you high? Even so that’s no excuse because only a real idiot says something like that when high.
At this juncture I gotta believe you are either like 14 years old, or else from some remote inland state where you have little or no information about the outside world.
Go live in China for a year or two: What you see will only baffle and confuse you, but at least you’ll realize that the world is a hell of a lot more complex than your crudely scrawled cartoon world.
Unless you’re just trolling, in which case I bow before you and hereby acknowledge your superior troll-fu.
Oct 04, 2011
degeneratevern says:
It’S THE Ruskies AND homo’s who are behind all this. I bet that girl is a card carrying pinko commie or a lesbian. They’re getting their orders and support from people like Fidel Castro and that Elton John dude. Obama and the commie Supreme Court are in with it, too. Get behind the real Americans and draft Sarah Palin. Jesus will bless you and so will all of us Kochsuckers
Oct 04, 2011
MozartFX says:
Hey Em, How many blogs like “Dangerous Minds” exist in China? You sound like you agree with what’s going on there. At least some of it. Tea Party goofballs like me are not fighting for state-corporatism, that’s silly. I don’t look at corporations as inherently evil, like you though. Hell, I just applied for a job with Pratt&Whittney; and if I get it, it will mean a nice raise. Maybe I can buy a bigger house for my growing family, put away some money towards a college fund, buy an SUV for my hot soccer mom wife. My God, your right…I am evil. Anyway, it would be nice. I’ve got my fingers crossed. And imagine, all this depends on the economic health of a company that makes jet engines for the military. (and private companies) Anyway, if P&W doesn’t pan out, there’s always XXXXXXXX Helicopters that need to be built. You know, like helicopters that airlift sick or injured people and take them to hospitals. Or take CEO’s from their helipad to their mansion on Long Island. Whatever. I don’t care what they do with them, just so long as I have a job. You know what I mean? I don’t look to see how much more food my neighbor has on his plate than me, I just wanna make sure he has something. If not I’d give him some of mine. (Louie Season 2 - Ep. 1) I’m a Republican, but my guess is, if you and I ever met we’d find that there’s more that we agree about than you think. I don’t believe people with different political views than me are evil. (unless their view involves taking away the rights of others) But I’m sure you agree with that. M
Oct 07, 2011
George says:
These people are nothing more than socialists, code pink freaks, femi-nazis, union thugs, and far left loons.
They want to impose their socialism on the country.
There flame will burn out quickly because they do no have support of sane Americans.
Move to China, Russia, or Cuba if you want that style of government freaks!
Oct 07, 2011
degeneratevern says:
Answer to George Says
“These people are nothing more than socialists, code pink freaks, femi-nazis, union thugs, and far left loons.”
Balogna, you left out hippies, n-lovers,yankees, and outside agitators. I still think it’s the dam Rooskies and people like Cher and that Elton John dude. Obama is in on it too, and Nancy Pelosi
Oct 07, 2011
BernieCrowsheet says:
I think it’s at the point to take the coversation to the next level.
Cher is Hitler.
Cher loves http://crowsheetstudios.blogspot.com/
Oct 13, 2011
Lamar Carnes says:
I as a citizen do not endorse nor support any of this civil commotion and potential violence that could come from it all. These people must not have jobs nor have any other purpose in life if they can sit around and protest every day. If they have any legitimate gripes they have a very fine system to take it all up under lawful conditions. Otherwise protest and go home! Get a job. Do something productive. Quit stirring up strife and discord and hate! These people out there in the streets are nothing but HATE mongers who are committing hate crimes against our nation and the civilized people who live here. It is time to quit listening to the Union Thugs and the Communist agitators who trump up things like this and make all of them look like you know what! It is time folks to return to civility and if you don’t you will suddenly look like savage beasts roaming the streets! The world is looking at you all right and you are certainly looking real bad for our nation and our way of life here. You don’t represent me or my nation. You look like and act like the unruly mobs of the Islamic Muslim world of uncivilized folks! You must enjoy trying to stire up hate and war. Why would you do this unless you are mentally ill? Something is wrong with people who conduct their entire days and life to such trash!
Oct 13, 2011
degeneratevern says:
Lamar Carnes,
You’re right these people don’t have jobs. twenty to thirty million Americans don’t have jobs. That’s the dam point.Your attitude is stupid and pathetic, the same kind of crap I heard in the South in the 50’s and 60’s. Don’t knock what you can’t understand. Get out of the way,if you can’t lend a hand. With you or without you, there’s a change coming
Oct 13, 2011
BernieCrowsheet says:
Sorry y’all, Lamar just convinced me to switch sides, these people who must not have jobs are just causing trouble with all their whiny “protesting” (aka anarchy in the streets!) they are also the ones behind all the thousands of civilian deaths in iraq and Afghanistan and all their other covert quasi-military operations, and they are also responsible for the collapse of the housing market and insist of shipping all their employees overseas to china and india and not giving those jobs to americans who do need jobs. Stupid protesters! Quit fucking shit up for the rest of us with your dumb protests! Go get a job and a haircut!
PS. I am going to vote for Michelle Bachmann now, because she is the only clear christian choice in the race!
PPS STUPID PROTESTERS!
Oct 13, 2011
degeneratevern says:
Crowsfeet or whatever your name is, I think you are right on with this Michele Bachman character. I guess you got the same message. I keep hearing Jesus or some dude with an authoritarian voice telling me to vote for his faithful servant Michele Bachman. At first it was vote for that Ricky Perry dude, but after the homo rumors came out, Jesus said, “Never mind”
Oct 13, 2011
Fred the Red says:
Organise, or is it organize, whatever, get it done
Oct 13, 2011
BernieCrowsheet says:
you will remember at the most recent GOP debate Bachmann was the only candidate to point out that 9-9-9 up-side-down is 6-6-6 the devils number as foretold in the Revelation to the apostle john. None of the other candidates caught that, obviously they are the false christians that jesus warned us about. Go with god my brothers and sisters!
Nov 15, 2011
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